Fop’s Great Justice #1: The angry 3-letter word

@ Mata

Oh at your point on Garena players, my long statement somewhere in the middle of my wall of text about the huge skill gap and exponentially increasing amount of casual/quitting players as compared to the miniscule amount of competetive players was talking about it, I think.

@Glim: Thanks for the welcome =) And yea, the forum is kinda dead >.< The last post in the l4d thread dated back to dec 2008 @.@ Perhaps foruming in this site has evolved into commenting on a writer's article? XD

+1 related to rat’s comment.

HOLLA L4D. o/

@ domejr

1) I play less because I got tired of the lack of competitiveness in Garena and of course, tournaments.
2) I know for a fact I have played more top level L4D than you have, so my opinion does count.
3) Not playing anymore doesnt mean I know less. The game
hasn’t changed drastically to the point where my opinions
are obselete and outdated.

*edit* i wont bother calling you out on a match since i dont have anything i need to prove to you. If you wanna combat my statement, you can find me in Garena, nick’s insi9nia. Or just ask for any Avant Garde member.

cheers.

lol, 36 comments, half are on regards to the article and the other halves are regarding dome’s comment.

@dome

i have no ides what that has got to do with the issue at hand. you’re saying the majority of players of l4d are a minority? is that it?

i have no idea what that has got to do with the idea, and calling people to stfu for apparently not playing anymore is not paying due respect to your fellow peers. i have no doubt even in his retirement he could always “steamroll” you.

if you wish to discuss further in this context, i wouldn’t be surprised if some people around here would call you out for a match, and i’ve no doubt about a dodger when i see one. one who fights with irrelevant words to prove irrelevant points.

they want to boycott l4d2. so be it. their choice. you’ve got a problem?

I think you severely underestimate just how many L4D players there are in both Singapore and Malaysia, and don’t have an idea of where these people play.

In Malaysia, almost all L4D games are played not on Steam or even Garena, but in cybercafes. To see just how active (and sizeable) the competitive scene is in Malaysia, just look at the turn out for WD Operation Blackstorm over there.

It’s the same in Singapore, with a huge playerbase playing exclusively in cybercafes and others on Garena at home. Just because they didn’t buy the game (*cough* Garena pirates *cough*) and are not on Steam doesn’t mean that they don’t exist. It’s just that in Singapore the playerbase is heavily skewed towards casual play, with a far smaller percentage of core/competitive players than our neighbours up north.

Also, I don’t see your point in bringing up IanDaow’s age. You have a problem with that? Please look at yourself. Let’s not bring age, gender or any other irrelevant personal details into the discussion. He wants to play the game his way, that’s his perogative/problem.

I agree with mG despite the fact that he thinks tight skinny jeans on guys are hot.

@ domejr – im sorry but who are you again?

@insignia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_gap

Enlightenment in progress… Oh wait… what???

@DomeJr What?

@everyone: HEY GUYS YOU NEED TO TAKE THE CHILL PILL
@dome: what?

IanDaow

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Country
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yeah okay we should all listen to you.

@The three M-s, Mata, Mad and Maya.

Basically, it’s because of L4D2 Boycotters that refuse to play L4D1 and/or purchase L4D2 in protest of Valve’s actions that which the current L4D pool of active players in Singapore and Malaysia is extremely low. Not to mention that the competetive scene only constitutes for less than 40% of the actual pool of active players for practically all Valve games since 2002. Considering the fact that the Boycotters only aggravated the situation without putting forth a solution that did not drastically affect the L4D community negatively on a whole, and that with a whole chunk of L4D regulars missing from the scene, we are left with mainly very professional L4D players, and mainly very unprofessional L4D players. Such a natural divide is inevitable if we take into account most Asian gamers’ mentalities (save for Koreans, whom are mainly hardcore gamers), both in terms of dedication to a particular trend, as well as their lack of courage to play against a stronger team that will almost certainly steamroll them.

Thus, since L4D2 Boycotters only came into existence shortly after the announcement of L4D2, I therefore blame both the release of L4D2 as well as its boycotters.

Quite simple, really.

@IanDaow

“i once played with inhousers. i stopped. as above Maya had stated, i simply dont have the time or commitment to wait for a game thats supposed to start an hour ago, and had to be reorganised as all the players had gone on and did their own stuff.

Although some might argue over quality of gameplay, i would ask, what are you doing for the 1 hr you are waiting before your inhouse? gossiping on the lobby? at least i’m getting some sort of kick from screwing with pubs, or doing soemthing lulz worthy. However, its all on perspective, and this is my view.

i might not have as much time as others. It seems that there is always a guy who needed do something, who’s always missing, wasting my time.”

[b]Well obviously you’ve been playing with the wrong people. Anyone matured enough would know it’s only responsible to play the game because he has already agreed to.[/b]

[b]If you’re someone who don’t usually have much time, you’d know that spending time pub-raping(which to me is completely fun-less because they all leave after the first two attacks) isn’t time-efficient, and simply doing something else, hopefully productive, while waiting for the inhouse is a much smarter plan.[/b]

“i ask you, are all of us competitive players? do we spend 2 hours in a room practising? or are we just a couple of guys who have a few hours to kill everyday?”

[b]Well firstly, you have contradicted yourself with the later two sentences. Secondly, do we have to be competitive players to have the will to improve? Thirdly, everyone has some competitiveness, for instance, when playing a regular game you want to win, not lose. You’ll chide your teammate for sucking and making your loss. You want to be better than others. These are all examples of competitiveness. [/b]

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In my opinion pub-stompers are losers who generally take the easy-path(and then get lost) in life. I believe if one doesnt have the ability he should at least have the attitude. I’ve no respect for such people. And so I always rape pub-rapers if I ever encounter them in any game.

Ian

what so scare of playing in-house game completing them. those who play compy is to learn and polish skill their skill.. And from what i see from L4D most of the team players is make up of CS 1.6 players. FPS IS FUN!!!
And this topic is a childish post. Is up to yr free will dnt in house then dnt join lo.. wan play pub play lo

In Garena, the community is pretty tight and most people
know who the better ones are, so most of the top players
end up using anonymous nicks to join pub games.

Based on personal experiences, I would say there are 3 tier of players in Garena.

Tier 1
WCG players (wH, mTx, AG, etc)

Tier 2
SOP players (non-competitive inhouse players)

Tier 3
Pubs

T1 players are usually self sufficient and hardly bother to try getting an entire team of reliable players during pub games. Pub games are just … well.. pub games to them. T1 players usually know where they stand and cant be bothered fueling their ego by trying to edge an entire team into their side.

The main problem lies in T2 players.
There are a particular few that want to learn and dont mind losing, but the majority are losers stuck in their well of protection and lament/cl_excuse/quit/suicide whenever a T1
player or team enters the game on the opposition. Amazingly, i’ve seen players being stuck in T2 forever, no matter how many inhouses they’ve played, I’ve not seen them improve at all. They also tend to congregate to circlejerk and pubrape, but whenever a T1 player offers a match or inhouse game, they back down. Classic example? Clan EMN, team Awesome, EsF.

garena pubs? worst? no, personally i think garena pubs > steam pubs in terms of skill. but garena pubs tend to be a little bit more arrogant den steam pubs

oh and btw, Vertex has retired, AG is semi-active as we have 1 player mia and i think only wH and mTx holding the fort now. lol

some garena pubs do have personal skills, i do agree with it.

and yes, EMN, awesome and EsF just established.

angelicheart<< EMN

Awesome << Mrgreen

EsF << Cant rmb who.

“In Garena, the community is pretty tight and most people
know who the better ones are, so most of the top players
end up using anonymous nicks to join pub games.”
-Quoted from insignia.

This wouldn’t be a problem if your using STEAM.

chill guys.

nay i say steam vs pubs are the worst, you can get votekicked for a fail boom or saving your pounced teammate 1 sec later than he expects you to

@TS

you should have just posted in the forums asking for a team.

If i knew you were taking such a non-serious attitude to winning/losing (unlike most of the people here) and was going for the experience and [b](WARNING DIRTY WORD AHEAD)[/b] [u][i]fun[/i][/u] (there i said it) i’d have joined you gladly

@dome

i see you are still perpetually angry, got your blood pressure checked lately?

@dome

why the hell are you asking people to shut up for no reason at all? he was right in pointing out.

i suppose you need the attention given by two commenters now, do you?

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anyway, my point of view on all this is for me, well, since for the simple economy of being able to finish two games instead of one if i chose pub stomping with my friends rather than joining an inhouse, i chose to play more over a shorter time.

i once played with inhousers. i stopped. as above Maya had stated, i simply dont have the time or commitment to wait for a game thats supposed to start an hour ago, and had to be reorganised as all the players had gone on and did their own stuff.

Although some might argue over quality of gameplay, i would ask, what are you doing for the 1 hr you are waiting before your inhouse? gossiping on the lobby? at least i’m getting some sort of kick from screwing with pubs, or doing soemthing lulz worthy. However, its all on perspective, and this is my view.

i might not have as much time as others. It seems that there is always a guy who needed do something, who’s always missing, wasting my time.

i only join IH when its immediate, or a PUG, or somebody else asked me to.

now, do i “get nearly an entire team of reliable players” during my pub games?

no. i do not. usually, sean hosts and i join. other than that, no. sometimes, a couple of friends join in, and we play together. what’s wrong with that?

you say excessive pub stomping attitude is detriminal to improvement of skills and gameplay style.

of course, it is better to “play inhouse” and gain new insight. but what is wrong with doing the latter.

i ask you, are all of us competitive players? do we spend 2 hours in a room practising? or are we just a couple of guys who have a few hours to kill everyday?

with that, i leave with the question of whether such attitudes towards pub-rape players are stemmed from the frustration of trying to get players for an inhouse/match.